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	<title>Comments on: Is The Daily Show Sexist? Use the 6 Degrees of Sexism Test to judge for yourself</title>
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		<title>By: fm</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 23:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never met Jon Stewart, but the TDS writers I&#039;ve met are sexist. Not in a mean way- they&#039;re very nice and cool- just condescending and &quot;superior&quot;- It felt like a boys club. Just look at the facts- how many writers on the show are women? One or two? How many of the highly paid, above the line, creative jobs are held by women? Hmmmm and where did Liz Winstead go? and why? remember that story?  But I think it&#039;s a mistake to single out the daily show- the NYC tv-comedy scene is pretty sexist- from my experience- yes, it&#039;s true, there are a rare few of token females that are trotted out to suggest otherwise, but please- get real-anyone who argues against my point is really being intellectually dishonest- and seriously, this is not a joke- NYC is an expensive place to live. As a woman, I want to climb the ladder just like my male counterparts- not because I have something to prove- it&#039;s because I want to do things like- duh, financially support myself and buy an apartment (you know, a place to live?)- which in NYC is not so easy if you&#039;re continually relegated to support-staff positions that are below the line- *(below the line is a place where people break in and get boned on their overtime and work 20 hour days for $150/day) Please, seriously, Mr. Stewart, and Mr. Colbert and Mr. O&#039;brien and Mr. Michaels and Mr. Letterman and Mr. Fallon and Mr. Leno and Mr. Smigel and Mr. Breckman and Mr. Levitan and  and even you, Ms. Fey, why aren&#039;t all of you making a point to allow more women to share in your successes It&#039;s not because women aren&#039;t creative and capable (like having so many women writers on your staff that it&#039;s 50/50) -Oooooh was that scary- to imagine that-  And what is this urge to relegate women to support positions all about-  so women just belong in the below the line section- with no guild representation, no help getting an agent, no royalties- no legacy to help their families- no apartment in a safe neighborhood unless paid for by daddy or rich husband- no overtime- just work-work-work-work-work and work around the clock, 20 hours a day on call for you! Ordering your lunches- making copies of your scripts at all hours of the day and night- Again and again and again and again. FYI- women taking positions as writers&#039; assistants just to get used- and then ignored. Women take underpaid writers&#039; assistant jobs with the hopes that their work will be, at the very least, seen and evaluated by their masters. It&#039;s an apprentice role. We understand we are there to serve you, and are happy to do so- but I am so furious that I personally toiled for years and years and years as a writers assistant without having my contributions recognized.  Most writers I worked for wouldn&#039;t even take the time to ask me if I was working on anything- except for their lunch order. I got used. Seriously. I had a dream and I worked hard and paid my dues- and I got screwed, screwed and screwed some more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never met Jon Stewart, but the TDS writers I&#8217;ve met are sexist. Not in a mean way- they&#8217;re very nice and cool- just condescending and &#8220;superior&#8221;- It felt like a boys club. Just look at the facts- how many writers on the show are women? One or two? How many of the highly paid, above the line, creative jobs are held by women? Hmmmm and where did Liz Winstead go? and why? remember that story?  But I think it&#8217;s a mistake to single out the daily show- the NYC tv-comedy scene is pretty sexist- from my experience- yes, it&#8217;s true, there are a rare few of token females that are trotted out to suggest otherwise, but please- get real-anyone who argues against my point is really being intellectually dishonest- and seriously, this is not a joke- NYC is an expensive place to live. As a woman, I want to climb the ladder just like my male counterparts- not because I have something to prove- it&#8217;s because I want to do things like- duh, financially support myself and buy an apartment (you know, a place to live?)- which in NYC is not so easy if you&#8217;re continually relegated to support-staff positions that are below the line- *(below the line is a place where people break in and get boned on their overtime and work 20 hour days for $150/day) Please, seriously, Mr. Stewart, and Mr. Colbert and Mr. O&#8217;brien and Mr. Michaels and Mr. Letterman and Mr. Fallon and Mr. Leno and Mr. Smigel and Mr. Breckman and Mr. Levitan and  and even you, Ms. Fey, why aren&#8217;t all of you making a point to allow more women to share in your successes It&#8217;s not because women aren&#8217;t creative and capable (like having so many women writers on your staff that it&#8217;s 50/50) -Oooooh was that scary- to imagine that-  And what is this urge to relegate women to support positions all about-  so women just belong in the below the line section- with no guild representation, no help getting an agent, no royalties- no legacy to help their families- no apartment in a safe neighborhood unless paid for by daddy or rich husband- no overtime- just work-work-work-work-work and work around the clock, 20 hours a day on call for you! Ordering your lunches- making copies of your scripts at all hours of the day and night- Again and again and again and again. FYI- women taking positions as writers&#8217; assistants just to get used- and then ignored. Women take underpaid writers&#8217; assistant jobs with the hopes that their work will be, at the very least, seen and evaluated by their masters. It&#8217;s an apprentice role. We understand we are there to serve you, and are happy to do so- but I am so furious that I personally toiled for years and years and years as a writers assistant without having my contributions recognized.  Most writers I worked for wouldn&#8217;t even take the time to ask me if I was working on anything- except for their lunch order. I got used. Seriously. I had a dream and I worked hard and paid my dues- and I got screwed, screwed and screwed some more.</p>
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		<title>By: Spiffy McBang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spiffy McBang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 22:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m wondering if you raise that question, though, to point out how very few comedy shows or commentary shows could even be considered as possibly not sexist.&quot;

Broader:  TV shows in general, of any type.  I wasn&#039;t trying to point anything out, though- I really didn&#039;t know what kind of answer you&#039;d give.  There could be a lot and I would never realize it.  But this entire episode has puzzled me precisely because, as you say, it&#039;s always seemed like TDS is ahead of the game in regards to these issues.

If that&#039;s in fact the case, then even if there is something to be investigated, it seems like the issue is blowing up simply because of shock that Jon Stewart is the target of such accusations.  While not a surprising reaction, it smacks of people ignoring worse situations simply because we have this resigned acceptance that almost everywhere else sucks and it&#039;s not going to change.  I realize those worse examples of sexism/racism/etc. have probably been hammered in the past and people are tired of talking about them, but to have it result in piling onto one of the least problematic organizations can&#039;t help anyone but the powers that be.

Also, I wonder how much Maddow controls the makeup of her staff.  If it&#039;s as complete as Stewart, then I&#039;d agree about her show; if not, you&#039;re still probably right, but more possibilities arise.  As for Colbert, Hill-Mann might be correct in a general sense, but her evidence is flawed.  Her comment about no women correspondents is irrelevant- there are no correspondents at all (unless you count Jeff Goldblum occasionally coming on and being ridiculous).  I also find it odd that she thinks, or seems to think, that he&#039;s actually being offensive to progressives; I&#039;ve never heard anyone actually take his words on-air as offensive except in the superficial light in which they&#039;re intended.  And it *seems* as though he has a higher percentage of female guests, though I have no numbers for that and it may well not be the case.

However, none of this speaks to the makeup of his staff, and Jessica Valenti once got bounced from an appearance because he didn&#039;t want to push &quot;The Purity Myth&quot; due to religious conflicts.  It wouldn&#039;t be a surprise if Colbert ended up behind TDS in some measurable way, but I don&#039;t think it would be by a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m wondering if you raise that question, though, to point out how very few comedy shows or commentary shows could even be considered as possibly not sexist.&#8221;</p>
<p>Broader:  TV shows in general, of any type.  I wasn&#8217;t trying to point anything out, though- I really didn&#8217;t know what kind of answer you&#8217;d give.  There could be a lot and I would never realize it.  But this entire episode has puzzled me precisely because, as you say, it&#8217;s always seemed like TDS is ahead of the game in regards to these issues.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s in fact the case, then even if there is something to be investigated, it seems like the issue is blowing up simply because of shock that Jon Stewart is the target of such accusations.  While not a surprising reaction, it smacks of people ignoring worse situations simply because we have this resigned acceptance that almost everywhere else sucks and it&#8217;s not going to change.  I realize those worse examples of sexism/racism/etc. have probably been hammered in the past and people are tired of talking about them, but to have it result in piling onto one of the least problematic organizations can&#8217;t help anyone but the powers that be.</p>
<p>Also, I wonder how much Maddow controls the makeup of her staff.  If it&#8217;s as complete as Stewart, then I&#8217;d agree about her show; if not, you&#8217;re still probably right, but more possibilities arise.  As for Colbert, Hill-Mann might be correct in a general sense, but her evidence is flawed.  Her comment about no women correspondents is irrelevant- there are no correspondents at all (unless you count Jeff Goldblum occasionally coming on and being ridiculous).  I also find it odd that she thinks, or seems to think, that he&#8217;s actually being offensive to progressives; I&#8217;ve never heard anyone actually take his words on-air as offensive except in the superficial light in which they&#8217;re intended.  And it *seems* as though he has a higher percentage of female guests, though I have no numbers for that and it may well not be the case.</p>
<p>However, none of this speaks to the makeup of his staff, and Jessica Valenti once got bounced from an appearance because he didn&#8217;t want to push &#8220;The Purity Myth&#8221; due to religious conflicts.  It wouldn&#8217;t be a surprise if Colbert ended up behind TDS in some measurable way, but I don&#8217;t think it would be by a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: cv harquail</title>
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		<dc:creator>cv harquail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 21:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spiffy, that&#039;s a 6 million dollar question. I would hazard a guess that &lt;a href=&quot;http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2010/04/01/happy-b-day-rachel-maddow-you-put-the-ms-in-msnbc/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Rachel Maddow show &lt;/a&gt;would do better than TDS, although I have no data or inside info on that. And, not because Maddow is female and a female &#039;head&#039; makes an organization automatically more pro-equality and less sexist... 

Maddow is a &#039;systems thinker&#039; and a political activist, someone who is conscious of sexism, an avowed feminist, and working hard to be authentic to those values in her role as the focus of a show. In contrast (and &lt;a href=&quot;http://womensrights.change.org/blog/view/does_ithe_daily_showi_have_a_woman_problem&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;along the same line of thinking as Brandann Hill-Mann at Change.org&lt;/a&gt;), I think The Colbert Report might fare less well than TDS. 

I&#039;m wondering if you raise that question, though, to point out how very few comedy shows or commentary shows could even be considered as possibly not sexist. The Daily Show, and possibly The Rachel Maddow Show, are likely leading the pack.  cvh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spiffy, that&#8217;s a 6 million dollar question. I would hazard a guess that <a href="http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2010/04/01/happy-b-day-rachel-maddow-you-put-the-ms-in-msnbc/" rel="nofollow">The Rachel Maddow show </a>would do better than TDS, although I have no data or inside info on that. And, not because Maddow is female and a female &#8216;head&#8217; makes an organization automatically more pro-equality and less sexist&#8230; </p>
<p>Maddow is a &#8216;systems thinker&#8217; and a political activist, someone who is conscious of sexism, an avowed feminist, and working hard to be authentic to those values in her role as the focus of a show. In contrast (and <a href="http://womensrights.change.org/blog/view/does_ithe_daily_showi_have_a_woman_problem" rel="nofollow">along the same line of thinking as Brandann Hill-Mann at Change.org</a>), I think The Colbert Report might fare less well than TDS. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering if you raise that question, though, to point out how very few comedy shows or commentary shows could even be considered as possibly not sexist. The Daily Show, and possibly The Rachel Maddow Show, are likely leading the pack.  cvh</p>
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		<title>By: Spiffy McBang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spiffy McBang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If TDS squeaks by, can you give an example of something that passes with flying colors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If TDS squeaks by, can you give an example of something that passes with flying colors?</p>
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