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	<title>Comments on: Networks and the Myth that Flatter Organizations are Better</title>
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		<title>By: cv harquail</title>
		<link>http://AuthenticOrganizations.com/harquail/2010/01/15/networks-and-the-myth-that-flatter-organizations-are-better/#comment-2661</link>
		<dc:creator>cv harquail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jordi-

Thanks  so much for your comment! 

You are so right-- the rhetoric involved in conversations about networks obscures the real challenges that networked structures pose.  It&#039;s an interesting case of conceptual inversion-- if power = bureaucracy = hierarchy,  and hierarchy is the opposite of networks, then networks have no bureaucracy and no power issues.  But people forget that the transitive property works better in algebra than it does in human social systems.

Do you  know of any work (or have you done some yourself?) that sets out the specific power-related challenges of a network structure, in a really simple way?
cv</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jordi-</p>
<p>Thanks  so much for your comment! </p>
<p>You are so right&#8211; the rhetoric involved in conversations about networks obscures the real challenges that networked structures pose.  It&#8217;s an interesting case of conceptual inversion&#8211; if power = bureaucracy = hierarchy,  and hierarchy is the opposite of networks, then networks have no bureaucracy and no power issues.  But people forget that the transitive property works better in algebra than it does in human social systems.</p>
<p>Do you  know of any work (or have you done some yourself?) that sets out the specific power-related challenges of a network structure, in a really simple way?<br />
cv</p>
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		<title>By: Jordi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, CV, you are right to point out that a change in structure by itself will not lead to more participation or more shared prosperity.  I think the hopeful rhetoric that suggests such out comes conflates structural change with holistic change.

Second, a flattened organization that devolves decision-making without appropriate information sharing and mechanisms for interacting can produce a lot MORE conflict.  Right?  If lots of teams and groups are jockeying for key information or organizational resources, or merely muddling through unstructured problems, then we might see more conflict.  That is not necessarily a bad thing, but some may imagine that network organization rhetoric implies a seamless kind of collective mind and coordination.

Third, lots of network theorists, like me, :&lt;), and Castells, are quite explicit that viewing the world as networks does not sublimate or dissolve power.  The opposite:  networks have their own &quot;programs&quot; that dictate inclusion or exclusion.  Whoever writes or inserts the code has power.  In the case of your networked organization, it may be the managers (or the nebulous &quot;market&quot;) who have the power to determine what the network values and hence who is in or out of the network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, CV, you are right to point out that a change in structure by itself will not lead to more participation or more shared prosperity.  I think the hopeful rhetoric that suggests such out comes conflates structural change with holistic change.</p>
<p>Second, a flattened organization that devolves decision-making without appropriate information sharing and mechanisms for interacting can produce a lot MORE conflict.  Right?  If lots of teams and groups are jockeying for key information or organizational resources, or merely muddling through unstructured problems, then we might see more conflict.  That is not necessarily a bad thing, but some may imagine that network organization rhetoric implies a seamless kind of collective mind and coordination.</p>
<p>Third, lots of network theorists, like me, :&lt;), and Castells, are quite explicit that viewing the world as networks does not sublimate or dissolve power.  The opposite:  networks have their own &quot;programs&quot; that dictate inclusion or exclusion.  Whoever writes or inserts the code has power.  In the case of your networked organization, it may be the managers (or the nebulous &quot;market&quot;) who have the power to determine what the network values and hence who is in or out of the network.</p>
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		<title>By: cv</title>
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		<dc:creator>cv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, I think you&#039;re right to describe the challenge as getting up the &#039;mojo&#039; to assert that simple systems changes (1) aren&#039;t simple, and (2) need to be intentional around issues like power distribution, decision-making, and relationship values.
I&#039;m realizing that we both think the other is right. So it&#039;s time to collude. I&#039;ll muster up my mojo if you&#039;ll rally yours to the cause.
cv</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, I think you&#8217;re right to describe the challenge as getting up the &#8216;mojo&#8217; to assert that simple systems changes (1) aren&#8217;t simple, and (2) need to be intentional around issues like power distribution, decision-making, and relationship values.<br />
I&#8217;m realizing that we both think the other is right. So it&#8217;s time to collude. I&#8217;ll muster up my mojo if you&#8217;ll rally yours to the cause.<br />
cv</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Ingham</title>
		<link>http://AuthenticOrganizations.com/harquail/2010/01/15/networks-and-the-myth-that-flatter-organizations-are-better/#comment-2526</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Ingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CV, I think this is absolutely right.  Flatness and networking won&#039;t make any real difference at all (ie to the feel of an organisation vs its productivity etc) unless there&#039;s a strong intent to do so (ie for it to be different).  The intent - the overarching goals - is the important thing.
.-= Jon Ingham&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SocialAdvantage/~3/3jiJTJ8-rFo/social-revolution-isnt-hierarchy-to.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Social Revolution - isn’t hierarchy to networks&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CV, I think this is absolutely right.  Flatness and networking won&#8217;t make any real difference at all (ie to the feel of an organisation vs its productivity etc) unless there&#8217;s a strong intent to do so (ie for it to be different).  The intent &#8211; the overarching goals &#8211; is the important thing.<br />
.-= Jon Ingham&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SocialAdvantage/~3/3jiJTJ8-rFo/social-revolution-isnt-hierarchy-to.html" rel="nofollow">The Social Revolution &#8211; isn’t hierarchy to networks</a> =-.</p>
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