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	<title>Comments on: When Brandividuals Violate Organizational Reputation: Ethics, NPR and Fox News</title>
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		<title>By: Col. Mustard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Col. Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No more PROPANGA in 2010!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No more PROPANGA in 2010!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are nothing but a far lefest  so stop all the poison you have on your site and dont give npr a one sided vliew of your propanga!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are nothing but a far lefest  so stop all the poison you have on your site and dont give npr a one sided vliew of your propanga!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Logan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, that was clear.  It&#039;s also clear to me that the culpability of Faux News would in no way change their ethics or actions.  Oddly, they are in one way the most authentic organization in the mix--they are reliably and unabashedly jingoistic, hyper-partisan, and irresponsible.  They were yesterday, they were today, and they will be tomorrow.

Each time I mention a verifiable instance of deception or bias by Faux News, my mother-in-law responds (defensively) that MSNBC does the same thing.  People who trust Faux really do believe that MSNBC is its liberal analogue.  For that reason, I&#039;m not sure a distinction between news and incite-tainment is possible.  Were there some authoritative voice or body to make the distinction, there would be reflexive distrust of that body.  One weakness of incite-tainment and its fans is their inability to engage with the central issues in a discussion, instead hiding behind cherry-picked examples and outright lies.

I&#039;m disappointed as well, but not just in NPR--I&#039;m disappointed that all news outlets taking pride in their journalistic integrity do not collectively shun those outlets failing to meet accepted standards.  The Economist, The New York Times, The Washington Post, BBC, PBS, NPR, and scores more do the global public a disservice and jeopardize their own reputation and future when they fail to expose violation of the accepted norms of journalism, among them full disclosure, named sources where possible, and, above all, honesty and integrity.
.-= Joseph Logan&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://publicorgtheory.org/2009/12/10/walt-disneys-org-chart/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Walt Disney’s org chart&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, that was clear.  It&#8217;s also clear to me that the culpability of Faux News would in no way change their ethics or actions.  Oddly, they are in one way the most authentic organization in the mix&#8211;they are reliably and unabashedly jingoistic, hyper-partisan, and irresponsible.  They were yesterday, they were today, and they will be tomorrow.</p>
<p>Each time I mention a verifiable instance of deception or bias by Faux News, my mother-in-law responds (defensively) that MSNBC does the same thing.  People who trust Faux really do believe that MSNBC is its liberal analogue.  For that reason, I&#8217;m not sure a distinction between news and incite-tainment is possible.  Were there some authoritative voice or body to make the distinction, there would be reflexive distrust of that body.  One weakness of incite-tainment and its fans is their inability to engage with the central issues in a discussion, instead hiding behind cherry-picked examples and outright lies.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m disappointed as well, but not just in NPR&#8211;I&#8217;m disappointed that all news outlets taking pride in their journalistic integrity do not collectively shun those outlets failing to meet accepted standards.  The Economist, The New York Times, The Washington Post, BBC, PBS, NPR, and scores more do the global public a disservice and jeopardize their own reputation and future when they fail to expose violation of the accepted norms of journalism, among them full disclosure, named sources where possible, and, above all, honesty and integrity.<br />
.-= Joseph Logan&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://publicorgtheory.org/2009/12/10/walt-disneys-org-chart/" rel="nofollow">Walt Disney’s org chart</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: cv</title>
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		<dc:creator>cv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joseph-

Just so I&#039;m clear, &quot;News&quot; in in quotes, b/c it isn&#039;t an actual news organization.

Glad that you agree that both the organization and the journalists are responsible and able to fix the conflict... I just wish that I&#039;d included Fox &quot;News&quot; as a culpable agent rather than only as a beneficiary of the conflict.

Don&#039;t you think that, if we make a distinction between news and incite-tainment, then NPR journalists could appear alongside Wall Street Journal Journalists-- oh wait, let&#039;s make that journalists from the Tribune -- on Sunday morning news shows that are actually about news, without creating a conflict? I think it is more the context that is &quot;Faux News&quot; than it is the act of appearing on another news program, that causes the real problem here.

But all this to say, it really really does disappoint me, and so many other NPR listeners, to see NPR continue with this self-deception. They aren&#039;t fooling listeners, and even worse they are bowing to the pressure of the bullies at Fox.
cv</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joseph-</p>
<p>Just so I&#8217;m clear, &#8220;News&#8221; in in quotes, b/c it isn&#8217;t an actual news organization.</p>
<p>Glad that you agree that both the organization and the journalists are responsible and able to fix the conflict&#8230; I just wish that I&#8217;d included Fox &#8220;News&#8221; as a culpable agent rather than only as a beneficiary of the conflict.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think that, if we make a distinction between news and incite-tainment, then NPR journalists could appear alongside Wall Street Journal Journalists&#8211; oh wait, let&#8217;s make that journalists from the Tribune &#8212; on Sunday morning news shows that are actually about news, without creating a conflict? I think it is more the context that is &#8220;Faux News&#8221; than it is the act of appearing on another news program, that causes the real problem here.</p>
<p>But all this to say, it really really does disappoint me, and so many other NPR listeners, to see NPR continue with this self-deception. They aren&#8217;t fooling listeners, and even worse they are bowing to the pressure of the bullies at Fox.<br />
cv</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Logan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m having a problem teasing a coherent thought out of my muddled brain to address the questions above.  This &quot;is Fox News a legitimate news outlet?&quot; debate is (to me) roughly akin to asking whether Goofy is a real dog, and yet people who otherwise manage to perform simple activities like brushing their teeth and dressing themselves dissolve into babbling idiots if anyone dare question their infotainment of choice.  I realize that&#039;s not what &lt;i&gt;you&#039;re&lt;/i&gt; asking, but it&#039;s where every damn debate about Faux News ends.

I suppose Williams and Liasson should be held to the same standards of affiliation as representatives of CBS, ABC, BBC, and whomever else might appear on the network, but let&#039;s be clear:  they aren&#039;t even held to the same standards as each other.  Is it because Williams, who has been at this longer, is a partisan hack, while Liasson, the relative newcomer, is perceived as a more legitimate journalist?  Is it because one of them has a &quot;Y&quot; chromosome?  I don&#039;t know.  What I do know is that it&#039;s a sorry mess.  Here&#039;s an idea--why don&#039;t we figure out what Fox&#039;s policy would be if Glenn Beck started appearing on al Jazeera, then do that?

To the question of where the responsibility lies in all this, it absolutely starts with Williams and Liasson.  Full disclosure is a tenet of responsible journalism, and they should absolutely state at each appearance that they do not speak for NPR.  The fact that anyone from any outlet should have to say so on any other outlet, though, indicates how much Fox News has fouled the water for everyone else.  

NPR also has responsibility here, primarily for maintaining its own standards.  I believe the journalists are both under contract to Fox as well as NPR.  NPR should protect its name by forcing a choice.  Unfortunately, that probably pulls NPR people off of shows like Meet the Press and Face the Nation, but NPR can&#039;t wait for Fox to do the right thing.  There&#039;s a reason Woodward and Bernstein wrote for the Washington Post and not Teen Beat.
.-= Joseph Logan&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://publicorgtheory.org/2009/12/10/walt-disneys-org-chart/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Walt Disney’s org chart&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m having a problem teasing a coherent thought out of my muddled brain to address the questions above.  This &#8220;is Fox News a legitimate news outlet?&#8221; debate is (to me) roughly akin to asking whether Goofy is a real dog, and yet people who otherwise manage to perform simple activities like brushing their teeth and dressing themselves dissolve into babbling idiots if anyone dare question their infotainment of choice.  I realize that&#8217;s not what <i>you&#8217;re</i> asking, but it&#8217;s where every damn debate about Faux News ends.</p>
<p>I suppose Williams and Liasson should be held to the same standards of affiliation as representatives of CBS, ABC, BBC, and whomever else might appear on the network, but let&#8217;s be clear:  they aren&#8217;t even held to the same standards as each other.  Is it because Williams, who has been at this longer, is a partisan hack, while Liasson, the relative newcomer, is perceived as a more legitimate journalist?  Is it because one of them has a &#8220;Y&#8221; chromosome?  I don&#8217;t know.  What I do know is that it&#8217;s a sorry mess.  Here&#8217;s an idea&#8211;why don&#8217;t we figure out what Fox&#8217;s policy would be if Glenn Beck started appearing on al Jazeera, then do that?</p>
<p>To the question of where the responsibility lies in all this, it absolutely starts with Williams and Liasson.  Full disclosure is a tenet of responsible journalism, and they should absolutely state at each appearance that they do not speak for NPR.  The fact that anyone from any outlet should have to say so on any other outlet, though, indicates how much Fox News has fouled the water for everyone else.  </p>
<p>NPR also has responsibility here, primarily for maintaining its own standards.  I believe the journalists are both under contract to Fox as well as NPR.  NPR should protect its name by forcing a choice.  Unfortunately, that probably pulls NPR people off of shows like Meet the Press and Face the Nation, but NPR can&#8217;t wait for Fox to do the right thing.  There&#8217;s a reason Woodward and Bernstein wrote for the Washington Post and not Teen Beat.<br />
.-= Joseph Logan&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://publicorgtheory.org/2009/12/10/walt-disneys-org-chart/" rel="nofollow">Walt Disney’s org chart</a> =-.</p>
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